tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post7407478480515009501..comments2023-10-25T06:15:31.439-07:00Comments on Leclaire's 4th Hour Honors American Literature Blog: Gatsby Fishbowl: Chapter 3Kristin Lhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15076857976818237278noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-29952054307112087102009-04-08T21:19:00.000-07:002009-04-08T21:19:00.000-07:00Hey AaronI think that the person in the car and in...Hey Aaron<BR/>I think that the person in the car and in the library are Fitzgerald. You know how some authors place themselves within their fiction as side characters wacthing their fantasy unwind. I think that Fitz put himself in the book this way.<BR/><BR/>Hey Jose<BR/>I liked what you said about the green light and how it is not who Gatsby is, but what he is missing. It seems like a good moto for the time period; everyone forgets who they are (plus no one cares who they are) and everyone searches constantly for what they have lost in this life. The green light is in every character that way.<BR/><BR/>Hey Helen<BR/>I liked what you said about Gatsby and the reality of him representing how truth is lost in society. Ironically, though, I beleive that he shows that truth is lost and that dishonesty, however, in a very honest and truthful manner.<BR/><BR/>Hey Kalyn<BR/>I loved your comment about Gatsby and the yellow billboard, especially the comment about him "not speaking of that which will eat his soul" ot somethime of that kind! I believe this really exlimplifies his character. He desires something but won't press for it due to the consequences that will "eat his soul."<BR/><BR/>Hey Nicole<BR/>I think that Gatsby throws these parties not because he doesn't want to forver be alone nor because he is afraid of beginning alone. I beleive that he is afraid of forever longing for the desired item he holds these parties for, the one that these parties will help him find.<BR/><BR/>Hey Kelsey<BR/>I never noticed before that not only does Gatsby not drink, but niether does Daisy. I'm intrigued at why this is. I think it is because they both find the memory of drinking to bring them to each other and thier past, but that is a strange coincidence!<BR/><BR/>Hey Matt<BR/>I LOVE YOUR COMMENT @10:15!! It was so enlightening and so true about the world and the people in it. It expanded a lot on how people relate to each other in this novel and time period! Thanks!<BR/><BR/>Hey Everyone!<BR/>I heard you listened to "Piano Man" by Billy Joel which is one of the connections I made in my novel through annotations! (That's a bit strange if I may say so) But anywho, I was wondering who you all thoguh the Piano Man is. I understand how some of you believe it is Gatsby as he entertains and watches the people who come and tell him his woes, but his own issues alone draw him from isolation and place him with the crowd: therefore, he becomes one of the lonely ready to see the Piano Man. Thus, I belive that the true Piano Man is Nick as he isolates himself from society, not ready to judge them, but ready to witness their actions. He entertains them with his comfort and time, yet remains unchanged by the weathers the people who see him are faced with.<BR/><BR/><BR/>THANKS! THIS HAS BEEN MY EXTENDED BLOG TO MAKE UP FOR MISSING FRIDAY APRIL 3RD!!! SEE YA'LL IN CLASS!ErinOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073679441552022143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-38187699736691917132009-04-03T10:34:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:34:00.000-07:00Matt~I never realized how true that was, especiall...Matt~<BR/><BR/>I never realized how true that was, especially in our society today. Your comments are so relevant, and they are helping me like Jacqui said, they're really good.Maddie T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01424816639615348714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-3024138189501180662009-04-03T10:33:00.001-07:002009-04-03T10:33:00.001-07:00Do you think that the books Owl Eyes talks about r...Do you think that the books Owl Eyes talks about represent Gatsby in a way? He says they are “absolutely real-have pages and everything” and how they fooled him; he thought they were “nice durable cardboard” at first. Maybe Gatsby appears to people as this outer layer, and there is little known about him, but when you open him up he is full of wonderful pages.maddisonmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00862713666232622303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-62489106088705286902009-04-03T10:33:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:33:00.000-07:00I don't really think that Gatsby is a success. He ...I don't really think that Gatsby is a success. He may have money, but he is not satisfied with riches. He has more depth than that. If he doesn't feel successful, how can he be successful?helenphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09762911169999156702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-91974465061560230172009-04-03T10:32:00.003-07:002009-04-03T10:32:00.003-07:00matt:your comments are really helping me make sens...matt:<BR/>your comments are really helping me make sense of these parts in the book. Even if they don't directly apply to the overall plot it deffinatly applies to reality and life.jacquihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03949549910602574598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-40067605895211056062009-04-03T10:32:00.002-07:002009-04-03T10:32:00.002-07:00You know, some people in the inner circle mentione...You know, some people in the inner circle mentioned the idea that Fitzgerald might be owl eyes. I remember in all the photos of him he had rather striking eyes. I think he took this self-deprecatory comment of himself, and decided to weave himself into the story under the alias of owl eyes. It shows that in a way, this is his story, but he is <I>not</I> Gatsby. He tries to give the reader this distinction.josedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169364934182849611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-67198172049170994632009-04-03T10:32:00.001-07:002009-04-03T10:32:00.001-07:00Focusing more on Gatsby's character, not just his ...Focusing more on Gatsby's character, not just his actions, I can sense a...sadness that surrounds his being and is perhaps covered up with his satire, his highly regarded persona. In this specific quote, "A sudden emptiness seemed to flow now from the windows and the great doors, endowing with complete isolation the figure of the host who stood on the porch, his hand up in a formal gesture of farewell." This emptiness is apparent in Gatsby, perhaps not obvious, but it's there. I'm just curious as to what it might be that saddens him.Maddie T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01424816639615348714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-18406817585908327422009-04-03T10:32:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:32:00.000-07:00jose- I agree. Gatsby is really portrayed as the c...jose- I agree. Gatsby is really portrayed as the center stage man and it seems Fitzgerald attempts to indirectly aspire to this position. Fitzgerald had had a turbulent life and obviously needed an escape.DennisRockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08740030535967927079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-8126810524472760102009-04-03T10:31:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:31:00.000-07:00Maddie H- I have read the whole thing too but I ag...Maddie H- I have read the whole thing too but I agree with Helen I feel like Fitz would be more like Nick.Kalyn Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059580668144099909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-60733523425989246512009-04-03T10:30:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:30:00.000-07:00Kayln- Fitzgerald never wanted to be a failure, an...Kayln- Fitzgerald never wanted to be a failure, and I think he sees Gatsby as a success. He is rich and well known. But he is also moral too.<BR/><BR/>I've read the whole book so there's some other stuff but I don't want to give anything away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-42876522495929353092009-04-03T10:29:00.002-07:002009-04-03T10:29:00.002-07:00To Aaron: Well, yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry i...To Aaron: Well, yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.<BR/><BR/>What I'm wondering is <I>why</I> Fitzgerald would start the chapter with the party, and end with a seemingly irrelevant description of Jordan's honesty or lack thereof.josedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169364934182849611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-25841206965725475642009-04-03T10:29:00.001-07:002009-04-03T10:29:00.001-07:00Matt: Again, very true. You have been able to take...Matt: Again, very true. You have been able to take a small scene i took as a funny random thing and made me realize that it is truly important to Fitzgerald and the message he is trying to get out. Thanks!aaronwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16512226213917318377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-4865945496879862242009-04-03T10:29:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:29:00.000-07:00Ray- But why would anyone want to be the outsider ...Ray- But why would anyone want to be the outsider with no one to trust?Kalyn Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059580668144099909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-80596438233189032872009-04-03T10:28:00.001-07:002009-04-03T10:28:00.001-07:00I disagree that Fitzgerald would want to be Gatsby...I disagree that Fitzgerald would want to be Gatsby. Gatsby is everything he is not, but I think he is more like Nick. He wants to be Gatsby, but at the same time he hates him.helenphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09762911169999156702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-46719780083533635712009-04-03T10:28:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:28:00.000-07:00Jose- But how do you all that is true about Gatsby...Jose- But how do you all that is true about Gatsby? I mean it seems like a fake image. Sure some of it may be true but I do see your point.Kalyn Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059580668144099909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-613236870637218342009-04-03T10:27:00.001-07:002009-04-03T10:27:00.001-07:00The inner circle just pointed out that the man in ...The inner circle just pointed out that the man in the library is associated with an owl, which in turn is associated with being wise.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to expand on my previous point, and say that we see ourselves as wise. When showing off his discovery that his books are real, he is both amazed by his revelation, and proud that he is the one that came to it. Like humanity, we are proud of our achievements, but the generations after ours will look back on our greatest achievements and laugh, because we have really understood so little.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14416800391148719797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-37233547614064859612009-04-03T10:27:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:27:00.000-07:00jose: He is more like what fitzgerald wanted to be...jose: He is more like what fitzgerald wanted to be. It isn't an upgrade; It's an entirely new person, one who is not like fitzgerald at all.aaronwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16512226213917318377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-19766796833866760692009-04-03T10:26:00.001-07:002009-04-03T10:26:00.001-07:00Kayln~well who wouldn't want to be a man who is hi...Kayln~well who wouldn't want to be a man who is highly regarded and respected. Gatsby is sort of elusive, Fitzgerald might wish people knew less about him.RayShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12600349177869312902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-51396076512354296322009-04-03T10:26:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:26:00.000-07:00I agree with Helen. Gatsby shows the flaws within ...I agree with Helen. Gatsby shows the flaws within his society.Kalyn Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059580668144099909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-34481566438873653392009-04-03T10:25:00.001-07:002009-04-03T10:25:00.001-07:00To Kalyn: Fitzgerald would probably want to be Gat...To Kalyn: Fitzgerald would probably want to be Gatsby because Gatsby is filthy rich, sober, a war hero, and on top of all that, he manages to come off as a gentlemanly,mysterious person. Gatsby is like Fitzgerald 2.0.josedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169364934182849611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-24318131222423745742009-04-03T10:25:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:25:00.000-07:00I think that Gatsby represents everything society ...I think that Gatsby represents everything society is not. I also think that it is interesting that such a seemingly flawed character is the opposite of such a flawed society.helenphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09762911169999156702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-74993862343418208222009-04-03T10:24:00.001-07:002009-04-03T10:24:00.001-07:00I just realised that sometimes I can't distinguish...I just realised that sometimes I can't distinguish between Gatsby's story, and Fitzgerald's life. Do you think he wrote this to show the world how he thought of himself?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14416800391148719797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-58594716507315942192009-04-03T10:24:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:24:00.000-07:00Dennis~Very well thought out, I like the idea that...Dennis~<BR/><BR/>Very well thought out, I like the idea that he is given strength to be a nonconformist. The society is corruption, something Gatsby shouldn't be a part of. Nicely put.Maddie T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01424816639615348714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-75904610275248198462009-04-03T10:23:00.000-07:002009-04-03T10:23:00.000-07:00Maddie H and Matthew-I completely agree with what ...Maddie H and Matthew-<BR/>I completely agree with what you said about the library and humanity! What other messages do you thing Fitzgerald is trying to tell us?nicolekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03905808736895417684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3721705980963551943.post-71543253591721379962009-04-03T10:22:00.001-07:002009-04-03T10:22:00.001-07:00Maddie H- Why would Fitz choose Gatsby as the char...Maddie H- Why would Fitz choose Gatsby as the character he wants to be?Kalyn Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059580668144099909noreply@blogger.com