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I think they thought by through their lies that they uncovered something
Is there a point when you would confess to something that you didn't do?
What reasons have the girls given as to why the "witches" would want to hurt them? Or have they not given any reasons?
I think the girls wanted to convince themselves that it really did happen and that Tituba was contacted by the devil because that is the easiest thing to believe. That way they wouldn't have to take the blame.
did anyone see a parallel between elizabeth being taken away and Jesus being taken away?
I think you hit a point that you can't get yourself out of it so, yes
Do you think that some of the girls only said that people were witches to fit in with the other girls?
allison- that is a good point, do you think that they all just started to believe it because of how influental it was?
Kelsey- I think some of the people in the book are at that point. Where if they don't confess, they will die. So they confess in order to save themselves.
Kelsey-
I think that with all the accusations and panic going around, you would start to question yourself and not really know what the truth was anymore.
In the passage where Hale is asking John Proctor to say The Commandments, I thought it was very ironic that the one John forgot was adultery. Did anyone else catch that?
After reading act two, I saw less and less of a connection between the illness in the play and the ergot fungus. Do you still think that ergot might be a factor in the witch hunts?
maddie- I don't think the girls need to give any reasons because Betty and the other girl have led everyone to believe that they were bewitched, all the girls had to do was put a name and face to it and cause the town hyteria.
I think that they were really convinced in the end that somethiing had happened. But then again, maybe they accused others in Abby's lead because they fear what Abby might do to them if they oppose.
To what they are saying in the inner circle, in the movie when all the girls start naming off witches and you see Tituba's face and she looks so disappointed in the girls. She has a look of utter amazement that the girls are continuing with their lies.
Kristinah,
I think so because it would be easier to go along with it because it was believable and made sense to everyone.
Cate M.- I think they didn't want to be singled out as the only one who didn't accuse anyone, so they start saying names to go along with everyone else.
Cat--I think tha twhatever chance the ergot had of being an influence in the hunt was totally erased in the second Act. By that time,fear and vengence was the illness.
Cate- I think some of the girls did just say they saw people with the devil because they saw that the people who were saying things were not getting in trouble, and they saw that as an opportunity to keep the blame away from them as well. So yes and no...
Adding on to alyssa, they could have also thought that they would be accused if they didnt accuse anyone. Like because they weren't victims, they would automatically be witches.
MaddieH
I also thought that was kind of ironic also. I also thought that it was kind of wierd that he was so nervous and couldn't remember all the comandments.
kelseyl - I really noticed that too. I think Tituba thinks she had to lie to save herself from the blame, but is shocked that the girls would lie (or get so caught up in it).
Brennan,
I like that idea but not everyone was one or the other, there still was a group of "gray" people.
what do you think for Leslie's question of Proctor's isolation to the society? Do you think it affected him? I think that because he is away from the town, his morals and convictions stay his own and not become warped from fear.
I think that Hale is kind of a weird guy and I can't really tell what side he is on. He keeps switching between the two sides and I can't really tell what he believes. Do you think that Hale believes that all of these people are witches.
i say a parallel...
where elizabeth said "I'll go" and John tried to fight them off, Jesus said "I'll go" and Peter cut off someones ear
so not as extreme
but it still has a parallel
catherine~I think that the ergot may have played a role in the witch trails, however I think that the social reaction would have been the same with or without the fungus.
kelsey-
I noticed her face too, but she kindof didn't have a right to judge against their actions because she was the one who first started the lying, but then again you cant really judge her either because if I was being beaten to confess I would lie too, what do you think??
To what Maddie said in the inner circle, I think that the witch trials wouldn't have escalated as much because she started all the girls accusing other people and if she hadn't said anything it may have just ended with Tituba.
Kelsey
I think that he wants to believe that all this is not true but his Minister side is saying that they are witches
@ Kelsey
What we need to remember is that the governmental systems in these days were mostly bias and corrupt. Little evidence/ testimony/ good acting could sway whole court verdicts. People were uneducated and didn't understand the true identity of such an illness and were intent on targeting the devil...the only absolute notion of evil in this time. Court systems were not advanced enough to decipher right from wrong, so verdicts were often predictable..."the devil did it” or "they're possessed" were common sight. I probably would confess to doing something I didn't in such a situation because the combination of bias and headstrong judges would obviously spell out death to anyone in denial.
allison-
There was an area of gray people, although it might have been a kind of assurance to them.
Jose- I don't think it would have any effect on today's society. I don't really see any effect that was caused strictly by the Witch Trials anyway, so I don't think that if they had never happened, it really wouldn't have made that much of a difference.
I think that Tituba was shocked by the girls' interest and lies in accusing others. But I think that her reaction was a bit hypocritical. I mean she started accusing others aswell. One could conceive that the girls' got the idea from Tituba.
Kelsey- I agree with what you said about Tituba. Her face did look really disappointed. But it seems very hypocritical that she is disappointed in the girls for going along with the lies she just made up. If I were her, I'd probably be pleased that people were backing up my lies.
If this portrayal of the witch trials is any indication at all of how they actually happened, I can't see ergot having a large place in the proceedings, if any. It seems to stem from problems that the town had bottled up, and was trying to keep quiet. The whole situation was maybe just a way to release the tension caused by bottling it all up.
brennan,
That makes sense but it comes back to the idea of if you can call your neighbors witches or confess to being one.
kristina
I'm not really sure what I would do in that situation but I think that I would want to keep some of my dignity and I don't think you can do that if you lie and confess to being a witch. But on the otherhand I wouldn't want to die.
erin-
Maybe tituba thought that if she just confessed to this, then the whole uprising would go away. But then when all the girls started accusing, she realized that this was going to go way out of proportion.
Jose--I agree with Alyssa. If it wasn't the witch hunt, it would have been something else. I mean these people were always on the verge of rebellion due to thier strict conformity, so one way or another, they would have cracked.
Why did they choose to accuse they people they did? Is it because they are considered to be weaker than the accusers or a threat to society?
Nicole,
they chose those people because they didnt like them, which is sad
Nicole- They accused the weird, outcast of the society. I think they picked them because they were different for the norms and they were easy to take down.
I think asking ourselves if we could lie to save ourselves from pain kind of goes along with the philosophy statement of "You should always defend your friends and family, even if it means lying for them,"
kelsey~I think that originally Hale came there just to promote his career, and figured if there really were witches that he could stop that it would make him seem more official. I think when he discovered that it may have been a hoax I think it made him feel guilty.
@ Nicole
Certain people were targeted because society needed easy universally "bad" scapegoats everyone could hate.
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